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02/14/2006 16:35:17 

Muslim leader in Russia calls to killings of gays and mass protests against Moscow gay pride

Russian gays express their outrage and consider legal actions

 

Russian Muslims can arrange serious protest actions if representatives of sexual minorities try to stage a gay parade later in May, according to Interfax news agency.

‘Protests of Muslims can be even sharper than those abroad against scandalous cartoons’, supreme mufti of the Central Spiritual Directorate of the Muslims of the country Talgat Tajuddin told Interfax on Tuesday.

‘The parade should be allowed in no circumstances. If they go into the streets, they should be thrashed. All normal people will do it, both Muslims and the Orthodox’, the mufti thinks.

He noted that representatives of sex minorities ‘could do whatever they like at home or in any secluded place. However, if they go into the streets and start campaigning, society should isolate them so that young people do not follow them’.

Tajuddin is against gays’ idea to claim their rights by public actions. ‘They have no rights whatsoever as they overstepped the bounds of decency. Untraditional orientation is considered a crime against God’, the mufti said.

He added that Prophet Muhammad had ordered to kill homosexuals, as ‘their behavior leads to the end of human race’.

‘This is neither a democracy, nor an anarchy. This is the end of history. This is abhorrent to God and man’, Tajuddin underscored.

 

According to the Russian independent radio station “Echo Moskvy” such statements by mufti alarmed even normally very conservative spiritual Muslim leaders. Nafigul Ashirov, head of Spiritual Directorate of Muslims responsible for Asian part of the country said that muslims are categorically against the conduct of gay parades but noone will use violence.

 

He said that “gay parades should not have their place in the lives of normal people. The patriarch of Orthodox Church said that today continues the campaign to pervert Russian nation, we join this statement and think that it is spiritual aggression”.

 

He added: “but I don’t think we have the right to thrash someone or kill, such things are not acceptable because it will be outside the scope of law. We just express the non acceptance of such actions”.

 

Ashirov said that “we are categorically against the conduct of gay parade but if Moscow authorities allow it then we will have nothing than to feel sorry for that. We will not go against the law, we will act by words and our personal example”.

 

Nikolai Alekseev, head of GayRussia.Ru and one of the organizers of Moscow LGBT festival expressed his outrage at what he heard today.  He said that “position of Talgat Tajuddin is unacceptable. We have never heard yet so strong words of hatred towards sexual minorities from influential public figures. He said that we have no rights, appealed to violent actions and even to killings of gays. And what is terrible is that he used the current situation in the world, connected with the publication of caricatures, to incite hatred towards those who have absolutely no connection to that. He actually invited to the acts of vandalism which we see these days in Muslim countries against diplomatic missions of foreign countries”. Nikolai Alekseev said that “we will do the legal analyses of mufti’s statements and will take a decision concerning the application to the General Prosecutor”.

 

Nikolai Alekseev also said that “today I was contacted by many Russian journalists and some of them told me that there is an atmosphere of outrage in their offices at what the religious leaders said. Even those who are not so tolerant towards gays said that it is outrageous to hear such words in a democratic country”.

 

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Don't it make ya crazy? But groups under stress do seem defaulted to "purify" themselves. They attribute adverse circumstances either to weakness within the group or the malign presence of a group nearby. It's an old, old trait of human societies to periodically practice ethnic cleansing of both pogrom and Holocaust varieties, even among great-hearted Slavs. The cultural clothing of such groups, mistaken for skin and bone, could be changed tomorrow and the trait still persist. We may take a timid solace in civilization; Akhmatova noted that there are good Caesars and bad Caesars and she'd been fortunate to live to see a good one. Despite the enormous courage --and victories-- of gay Russians it is possible good times await other generations.


As so often, the groups involved are nationalist and religious. Any group of primates can turn dangerous, and these are groups that can crystallize in crowds of some number, unlike, say, groups of lawyers, or persons you know, or persons with red hair. This may simply be a very bad time to be gay in Russia, because both groups groups feel extremely threatened as their core ideas erode.


I can't put this as well as Hoffer, but nationalist ideologies are manna for dissatisfied fantasists. Their inadequate relations with, or undue reliance upon, other groups (family, friends, neighbors, colleagues) inclines them to strong identification with a group that will never reject them, whose being they are part of. It's worth dying for. But atavistic tribalism continues to dissolve in an increasingly global environment. The crisis will worsen along with the ability of ideological nationalists to cope with it.


The other group is composed of near-relations to the nationalists, religious legislators. They maintain a powerful ongoing fantasy of an iron-age Arab volcano god who created the universe somewhere near the middle-east, interacted intensively with culture-heroes there, and maintains obsessive interest in select peoples. He gave laws through his prophets and they must must be obeyed despite having been outlived the long-extinct societies they were designed for. Disobedience to the law results in group punishment, ergo miscreants must be punished --it's "them" or "us". As certain holy scriptures follow countless others in having outlived any usefulness as designs to reality, we can expect certain subgroups among the believers to become desperately punishing and less tolerant of vulnerable groups that transgress their bedouin laws and can be got at with nail and tooth. Concerning that behavior we've gotten off lightly before; had the protagonists of early church councils possessed our weapons this would be the Insect Age.


The only thing that might help would be hiring a god to open their hearts. I was paraticularly struck by the Mufti's remarkable belief that gay people are made by parades. Any gay muslim child knows better. I am sorry for the pain such ignorance both wishes for and causes them.

Guest, 05/27/2007 23:54:22
But Where come from this hatred and pervercity! How to stop de war accros the world whit some people like him ?? it's serious, very serious
Guest, 02/18/2007 20:16:22
Typical Muslims ideologies... bombings and hatred. I always thought that killing was well a sin apparently NOT in the eye's of Muhammad. Seriously I'm so tired of hearing nothing but hatred from that region. Everything cannot be solved by sucide bombing, hatred, and threats... apparently, no one has told them.
Guest, 02/15/2007 10:43:51
I think this is happening because a shortage of knowledge needed to better comprihend the homosexual ideas. Knowleage is becoming a key factor for comprihanding. It is a well known fact that In eastern and developing societies knowlege lags behind religion and cultural values. That is why a new system of values, a new ideology need to be created. But this ideology cannot be based on religious teachings that played a crucial role 2.000 years ago, but are unable to fulfill their mission today. The religion is an opium for knoeledge. Thus the new path of social and cultural developmet shall be toward more knowledge, culture, and science. A new way of thinking is paving the way to the reorganization of the cultural, economic, political and scientific space.
Helgy, 11/27/2006 05:40:46
I think that the gay community should be protected just like everybody else. Im 16 and gay in the us and its bad all over the world for gays but it is bad in russia and I want to really support your actions. You are a strong country and should be united and not seperate yourselves because of sexuality. Its not a choice to be gay you are born gay. Its like telling your child you dont love them because they look spanish and not russian. We all have the same blood flowing within us and we all breathe the same air and live on the smae planet. Why should we be fighting? Instead of fighting lets start a utopia.
Elias alvarez, 10/05/2006 21:54:15
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